• How long did it take you to get auditions when you first signed with you rep? 11/11/2017  1:56pm

    i'm really confused...... I've been with my reps, for about 4 months each, and I've only gotten 1 audition. it was a good one but still. only 1. these are good reps, they have series regulars on high profile shows. but I've asked them repeatedly what I can do to help and they are pretty unresponsive. better headshots, reel footage, workshops, I've asked about, they literally dont address any of those things, which makes me think my materials must be ok, and they just say be patient. well i'm tired of being patient, i worked really hard to get here to get decent reps and this does not make sense to me at all. not that this matters but I'm an attractive dude with a type that can go out for many many things, so that baffles me even more. how long did it take for you to get auditions when you were new with your reps? Should i start looking for different agents? If these people are good, what difference would it even make looking for other reps, maybe I'm the problem! i just dont know!! i have a resume full of theatre and indie films and great training but no big time tv film credits yet, i know thats holding me back. but still, i should be getting in doors with what I have. what should i do??

    i just dont understand.......

    With all three of my reps (different markets) it took me at least 2-3 months before the first audition. And things moved slow at first. It depends on your type, the breakdowns going out, the relationships/clout/power of your agent/agency, and their passion and commitment for/to you. When you signed could also play into it. Sometimes things will kick off and sometimes they never will - I've experienced both.

    I have found that rather than necessarily asking what I can do (unless it is a manager you have) that just doing it [well] and providing the materials to your agents worked more in your favor. Need character shots... just get em, post 'em on AA and then let your rep know you added them (rather than asking). Things like that. When you ask I find they'll often tell you you're good and they need nothing but then it'll be radio silence. Being proactive and taking the reigns helps.

    JackSkellington 11/12/2017  7:24am

    Also, to respond a little more directly to your post...

    It's not just about you. It's about your rep too. The connection between Where the industry is as a whole. A what is needed right now.

    First off, you never know what is going on behidn closed doors. I've wondered why I didn't get parts - ranging from co-stars to guest stars and higher. And then I realized, I auditioned against celebrities' children for co-star parts - they were signed by WME and CAA and were auditioning for the same costar part as me. I never would have thought that. So, you don't know. I know that doesn't relate to what you mentioned, but just think about it. There are a lot of things we don't know about that play a part in the process.

    Maybe you agent IS submitting you and for some reason you're not getting called in to offices. Do you have type-specific casting shots? I find those can be the main difference. And unfortunately, time. Once some casting offices call you in they will begin to call you in repeatedly. Some will call you in and then never call you in again. I've experienced both - the latter more often. But perhaps your agent is submitting you. If you don't mind me asking, who is your agent or agency? I can tell you upfront if they probably have the pull or not to be getting you these auditions. Does your agent have a lot of people similar to your type? How is your marketing compared to the other clients? You need to be your agent's first pick for these roles - is your branding all on point so that you are the go-to guy for these roles?

    Even with film and tv credits it is hard to get auditions. I know people with no credits who booked a guest star right out the gate. Then there are people (I am one of them) who have co-stars and have gone in for guest stars and series regulars and still have trouble getting seen at officers for even a one-liner. I've even been in for an office that booked me for one show, called me in for another... and yet I can't get seen by that same office (but diff. associate at the office) for a diff. show I am perfect for. I know some people with NO training (which I hate) and they audition a ton and book things. I know people from Juilliard who get no auditions (and then of course I've seen people from Juilliard shoot to stardom before their senior showcase).

    Maybe the bds don't have any roles that fit you right now. I have been going out pretty often. And as of late the auditions have slowed down. In fact, at one point I was going out for the same type of role almost weekly. Now, I haven't gone out for that type of role/type in months. Suddenly, the demand for that type ceased. It could be that your type isn't in high demand right now or your type is oversaturated in the industry.

    Don't abandon ship yet. You are only 4 months in. Unfortunately, I would give it a full year. We are also going into pilot season so expect your rep to be even less responsive. And be wise with how you contact them and how often because pilot season tends to be colder (figuratively and literally) and chaotic.

    I know the frustration you're experiencing.

    JackSkellington 11/12/2017  9:51am

    i dont think I can man. a whole year? of no auditions? that's fucking crazy. i didnt just bust my ass all this time to get signed and then get no auditions. My rep is Carson Kolker. have at it.

    this is bullshit man 11/12/2017  11:37am

    other people are telling me to jump ship now, that 4 months is way too long without an audition, which I personally agree with, but I honestly am so fed up with trying to act, it seems like no matter what I do its not even enough to get a fucking audition, its really just beyond ridiculous at this point

    this is bullshit man 11/12/2017  12:08pm

    Yes, 1 audition in 4 months is pretty damn terrible. But I can say... I started out with 1 audition in 3 months. Then things skyrocketed from there. But that was one instance. In another... not much came after. Weigh the pros and cons. What makes you want to stay and be with your rep? What makes you want to leave? Do the pros outweigh the cons? We're going into pilot season... very soon not many agents are going to be signing people. Getting rep is going to be harder pretty damn soon (we're going into holiday season, pilots, and then hiatus (which is when it become easier to get rep). Not to mention, you could easily jump ship and go to an agency that is the same if not worse. I feel your frustration. We bust our asses training and trying to get rep. Then when we get rep it becomes hard to get auditions. And then when you get the audition, it doesn't usually go to the most talented person in the room. There's a new struggle at each stage of the game. It's hard for me to get specific without knowing at least what agency you are with.

    JackSkellington 11/12/2017  2:38pm

    I'm not happy. I dont care WHO reps me. I just want fucking auditions. all this work to get reps and then to not get auditions? it's enough to drive somebody crazy, honestly. we sacrifice too much of our lives and time for somebody to waste our time. I'm with Carson Kolker. They have a Stranger Things kid. I thought that would open some doors but so far, nothing.

    aksfbdkasjdbkjasdbkasd 11/12/2017  4:23pm

    Four months is a long time, sometimes I can go a couple weeks like 4-5 without an appointment but 4 months is a lot.

    I do have to ask though, are you doing anything on your end to facilitate more appointments? Not only working on your materials but like...are you submitting yourself for stuff? For every appointment that I get from my agent I have 4-5 auditions for stuff I submitted myself for, and that doesn’t even get into EPAs/ECCs/Open Calls.

    A lot of people I know get their agents and then stop working to get auditions for themselves, if you want to audition so badly, get off your duff and go audition.

    Icanseeyou 11/12/2017  5:28pm

    Okay. So funny you mention Carson Kolker. I can't stand Barry Kolker. Once I had a referral to him. He didn't respond. So I called him. He took the call and then asked if I was truly a triple threat like my resume suggested. I said not anymore, I am primarily an actor. He asked if I would be willing to do musical theatre in amusement parks. I said I was unwilling to do that because my training wasn't really in dance or singing (I am an actor) and that my goal is tv and film. He told me thanks but no thanks because he already has someone who wants what I want and can already do what I can do. Then I did an agent night (with 10 agents) years later. He happened to be one of the agents in the seminar. he was the ONLY agent to give me negative feedback. I did a really dark, emotional scene. A scene that every casting director 'til that pt. had told me blew them away. Barry wrote on my feedback form that I look cross eyed (I am not cross eyed) an that he believes I am mentally off - wtf!

    I know somebody else with him who is happy with him (but that has to do with her having connections outside of Barry). And then I know someone else with him who wasn't getting much through him.

    I do know he reps Gaten, aka Dustin from Stranger Things. Give that a little time and that won't be the case. Gaten will be snatched up by CAA, WME followed by ICM OR UTA soon.

    Now that you said it is Barry I would jump ship. I think he is a complete loser. He doesn't have the same zest some other agents have. He strikes me as old school and just not the most pleasant to work with.

    JackSkellington 11/12/2017  6:33pm

    ST will last for 3 more seasons tho, I was hoping to get some of that netflix rub off, and they have a list of other series regs. otherwise, i can totally understand where you're coming from with your take on B. i dont know him, to be frank, but if somebody treated me like that I'd feel the same way. i just dont have major tv/film credits yet so I dont have much leverage with getting a new agent. i'm kinda stuck. i feel like its on me to get those first couple major credits to get in the doors, which is kinda fucked because it really shoudln't be like that, but whatever i came this far i'll make it happen. thank you so so much for your honest feedback, its a little insane it takes me asking a question on an anonymous website to get an actual answer about a question related to my career.

    667744885 11/12/2017  7:37pm

    Four months is a long time, sometimes I can go a couple weeks like 4-5 without an appointment but 4 months is a lot.

    I do have to ask though, are you doing anything on your end to facilitate more appointments? Not only working on your materials but like...are you submitting yourself for stuff? For every appointment that I get from my agent I have 4-5 auditions for stuff I submitted myself for, and that doesn’t even get into EPAs/ECCs/Open Calls.

    A lot of people I know get their agents and then stop working to get auditions for themselves, if you want to audition so badly, get off your duff and go audition.

    Icanseeyou 11/12/2017  9:45pm

    i dont understand where you guys are self submitting to. i never get anthing off actors access, backstage is mostly bullshit for paid work and thats it for film. most public emails for casting are bullshit, like what secrets am I not aware of

    ashantimm 11/13/2017  12:12am

    Honestly, AA, Backstage and Playbill.

    Although, it has definitely been slow lately but I get A LOT of commercials from backstage and AA.

    Icanseeyou 11/13/2017  2:05am

    Jack gave you some good advice here. If you no tv credits, it’s hard to get called in for tv. It’s a process that can take some time. Offices don’t know you yet. They may have tons of actors with tv credits already. It can be a tough thing to crack. I booked my first guest star with only one co star credit. But it took a while to book that guest star.

    Ask for a submission report. That way you can see the things you’re being submitted for. What CD’s aren’t calling you in and you can start to make relationships with.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  2:07am

    Also I’m not really that familiar with that agency. If people are telling you to jump, and based on Jack’s comments. It can’t hurt to look for someone else now.

    Btw, Gaten doesn’t have to stay with them while Stranger things continues. He can easily sign with a new agency, just will have to continue to pay Carson for ST.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  2:12am

    i dont know how to get another agent, it was hard enough to get this one. i dont have anything to leverage at this point because these fucking people have wasted my time, the one audition they sent me on, I pinned. i self submit every day, like i do my part 150%. you think working your ass off for 10 years and finally landing a decently respectable legit agent in NYC would be enough to get me in the room for a fucking 3 line co star when i see assholes that dont even have a reel land guest stars. i knew this journey would be unfair but i really wasn't prepared for things to NOT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. how do you navigate any of this when there seem to be NO RULES as to how ANYTHING works at all. how does one make any intelligent decisions when shit works like this?! it just doesnt make sense to me

    this shit is fucked up 11/13/2017  8:59am

    Have you tried the manager route? I’m in L.A but I signed with a manager first and they opened the doors to agents for me. They are often more willing to take developmental clients then agents are.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  9:06am

    just as frustrated with my manager. it's the same relationship basically. and they are close. i picked up a 2nd, more boutiquey agent in a different market recently, after realizing these 2 dont give a shit about me, so I'm hoping that will provide some results. otherwise i dont know what else to do. i might as well keep them for pilot season and if nothing comes of it ill just let the contracts run out. better than not being repped at all right?

    cheaseplateandgrapesmaybe? 11/13/2017  9:15am

    It seems to me like people are giving you legitimate advice and you aren't listening particularly well. They don't know the situation as well as you do, they can only do so much for you. If you want to bitch, bitch, but I feel like I'm watching some tidbits just whiz right by your head while you humble brag about things.

    If your situation isn't ideal, do everything you can to change it on your own, wait it out, or leave. No one can decide that for you.

    Justgottasay 11/13/2017  10:28am

    i see the advice, and appreciate it. i just dont know how to apply it. not trying to humblebrag at all, i have nothing to brag about, just exasperate and lost. but il stop posting here as it seems there truly are no answers

    11122221 11/13/2017  10:33am

    I don't think there are no answers, there just are no answers that work for everyone. It sucks, but really you are the only one that can change your situation. Or at least fight for it.

    Resubmit to managers. IMDB pro and backstage are a great tool to use. Find out what other clients they have. Are there are a lot like you. Are they better then where you are at.

    Do you have any friends with managers that you like? Would any offer referrals? Or CD's that have cast you. Or producers. Directors that might have connections.

    I met my current manager on set of a film. But I was only there because I had worked my ass off to make connections.

    I've been through 4 agents so far and I finally found the one I love. But I know it probably won't be the last agency either. It takes time to find someone that really thinks you're awesome and will fight to get you in the room. So if you don't like where you're at, move on. I know it's not that simple, but no one is going to come to you until you're at a certain level. You're going to be knocking on doors until someone is like "Okay let's do this."

    So keep knocking. You have rep currently for pilot season, so worse case you have them. But resubmit now before doors close. Find out what connections you might have and use them. And no this, you aren't alone.

    There are many many actors that can't get rep at all.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  4:14pm

    i just can't even imagine having to operate and make decisions like this anymore in these conditions..... I exist in an echo chamber. no decision feels right. i've been made to feel like I should be grateful to have anything at all, but then what is the point if you don't even know if those people have your back? this is really really crazy and its making me physically sick

    ______)))))))) 11/13/2017  4:42pm

    Wow, you are a little impossible. Haha.

    Literally you've been given so much advice here. SO MUCH! And all I've seen is excuses why it won't work. No one is going to hold your hand and do this for you. You want a career? You gotta make it happen for yourself. One thing at a time. You think you're the only one who feels this? Or has it difficult? Of course not. It's fucking hard for everyone unless you have a daddy or mommy who knows someone. But the rest of us, it's fucking hard.

    I moved to L.A and I knew no one. I had a few decent credits from back home, but I didn't have an agent or a manager here. I knew no casting directors. And no one knew me or gave a rat's ass who I was. Plus I was an adult. I found film and tv late and most everyone in my age range has been doing this since they could walk. Or at least teens. With better rep and better credits.

    Has it been easy? Hell no. I've had to fight for every audition. Every opportunity I've gotten. I've been in class every week without fail unless I'm out of town or working on something. I found a manager that would take me, they were crappy, but they did get me a some auditions and an agent. So as soon as I could I moved on. By submitting. By asking for favors. But networking. By being on a set in a smaller role with people who were 10 times where I am. By being noticed by a manager because even though I had a small role, I tore it up that day. Who then referred to me an agent who I really do love. Finally! But it's not just been cake since haha.

    We all get frustrated. It's NOT fucking easy. But the only thing you can do is be frustrated and then get back up and try again. Worse that happens if you submit yourself? No response. Okay, well who cares. Worse case that happens if you ask for a favor? No one helps. Okay, well who cares. You move on. You try again.

    The reality is, no one will really care if we give up. People might give "support" but secretly it's like, well one less person to worry about. You have to fight for yourself. No one else will for you.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  5:00pm

    If you’re really as lost as you say you are, it might be time to confir with a business coach. Someone who has more experience on the business side of things.

    I’m sure you can find suggestions on here.

    Icanseeyou 11/13/2017  5:04pm

    no, honestly, i appreciate all your help. i really had NO IDEA that THIS IS WHAT ACTING WAS. so now I know. had I known 10 years ago that it would be this ridiculous and unrewarding for me i would have NEVER fucking sacrificed 10 years of my life to find out the hard way it was all a waste of my time. GOOD FOR YOU, seriosuly, you are working your ass off and you all deserve the success that you've worked for. I dont have that shit in me anymore, my experience has been different and way way way less rewarding. i just need to get out of NYC and just live a normal life, this just isn't for me. again, thank you, seriously. nobody ever fucking tells you what is normal, pursuing acting, so i do appreciate it.

    111112222 11/13/2017  5:09pm

    Again, I will say though, nothing is a waste. I literally have friends out here who just booked the gig that changes their lives and they've been out here 10+ years. You never know when x audition might lead to y audition years later.

    If you truly are unhappy, then I would encourage you to take a break maybe. Sometimes when people are at their lowest, they book. When they just don't care anymore. There's so many stories of A listers about ready to quit and then they book. A friend of mine booked a huge show (sending in a tape she didn't even want to do) She literally put no effort into it. She was about ready to quit. Did one take and sent if off and the show changed her life.

    And I didn't say any of that about myself to brag. It's been really fucking hard for me too. Everyday. I've had some breakthroughs which I'm really grateful for. But every time I break one, there's another ceiling. No doubt. But I say this just to show that eventually their is light at the end.

    It's okay to be frustrated, but at the end of the day you must be happy to. Take a break if you need to, acting often finds it way back to you when it's ready.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  5:29pm

    If you’re really as lost as you say you are, it might be time to confir with a business coach. Someone who has more experience on the business side of things.

    I’m sure you can find suggestions on here.

    Icanseeyou 11/13/2017  5:38pm

    that's the thing though. i havent been able to even PARTICIPATE. if I was actually auditioning and not getting cast, whatever, at least I'm fucking auditioning. but to work this fucking hard for all these years and still not even get an AUDITION????? so yes, my 10 years IS A WASTE, but again i'm happy for you, i really am, but it's clearly not in the cards for me so I'm going to remove this tumor before it grows anymore

    ________2 11/13/2017  5:41pm

    I know you mentioned self submitting. Are you submitting on AA? Short films. Student Films. Literally anything you can get your hands on. Submitting for as much as you can. If you're in NYC, then there's a lot of films school that need actors. I started out doing the above.

    Are you in class every week?

    Are your headshots awesome? Do you have any kind of reel footage?

    Those are all things that need to be assessed and will keep you from auditioning.

    These are just some suggestions on why you aren't getting in the rooms.

    But whatever you decide, hang in there.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  5:51pm

    Also let me just share this. My first agent in L.A. I got like 3 auditions from them the year I was signed. LOL. The whole year. 3.

    The next agent I signed with got me in a bit more. Maybe 1 every 3 or 4 months.

    The next agent I signed with was a little better. I got 1 a month. HA. But still better then 3 the whole year. I auditioned probably 12-13 times that whole year. But i was able to book something really great with them. When I really thought all hope was lost.

    And that took me to my agent I'm with now and FINALLY I get in at least once a week.

    This was after many years and many agents. The first agent will not normally be the jackpot. Just saying.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  5:57pm

    thats fantastic. and makes sense. and again, you worked HARD and deserve it. I cannot possible imagine having to spend another 5 years on that journey. thinking of having to live like that for another 5 years? it makes me sick! i simply dont want to do it. but again, thank you so much for sharing your story. hopefully other actors can read this whole exchange and truly decide if this is the path they are willing to RISK taking for themselves. worked out for you, didn't work out for me.

    ________2 11/13/2017  6:01pm

    You're welcome. I realize it may not help you, but sometimes it helps to see you aren't alone.

    You are starting out with an agent and so far you've had an audition. And it was for something good. And you pinned. Okay, it took 4 months but it hasn't been years yet. They know you pinned. No doubt they see that and are submitting you.

    If it were me, I would give it a year. Finish out the contract with the agent and see if they can get you anything else. Then if still nothing, pack it up if you feel that way.

    But sincerely, best of luck with whatever you decide.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  6:07pm

    Similar experience to filmandtheatreactress. Really similar experience in terms of rep and audition frequence and length of intervals between auditions.

    JackSkellington 11/13/2017  6:30pm

    it's similar to mine too guys, this is not my first agent. I would really really love to touch base with both you, Jack, and Film & TV actress. you both seem very knowledgable and in a similar boat, or maybe a few steps ahead of me and where I'd like to be relatively soon...

    CupOfHorsePucky@yandex.com is me.

    I'd really like to ask a few specific questions without revealing my identity on here / establish a real life connection perhaps, because I seriously seriosuly lack actor friends in a similar position.

    ________2 11/13/2017  6:43pm

    "There's so many stories of A listers about ready to quit and then they book."

    Right, but you know what you're not hearing? The hundreds of stories for every one of the stories you're talking about, where people were ready to quit, did, and then lived happily ever after doing something else.

    That's not to take away from the people you're talking about; good for them, truly. But keep in mind that it's confirmation bias 101, because those are the only stories you're hearing.

    You don't hear about the ones who bail, but they outnumber the ones who don't by a longshot. If this guy is ready to move on, he's actually in bigger company than if he decided to stay. So I say go with God, and more power to you, buddy. You do you.

    Springfield 11/13/2017  6:46pm

    Yeah I can make up an email address and email you. I would prefer not to identify myself either haha.

    And I highly doubt you have zero friends in your position or friends who are worse off than you. Of course, you will have friends who are doing better. But actors tend to exaggerate sometimes how well they are doing or how great their rep is. Hence why we come here LOL

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  6:57pm

    And yes of course, there are tons of actors who quit and they are happy, and if they were truly miserable and didn't want to do this anymore. Found another passion - then go do that! By all means, be happy.

    That is more for people who are frustrated but it's still in their heart and they don't really see themselves doing anything else. It's just frustration right now.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  6:58pm

    BTW I tried to send you an email, but it came back.

    filmandtheatreactress 11/13/2017  7:46pm

    of course. why would an email address I just created actually work? pretty reflective of everything else in my life right now. fucked up and nonsensical lol

    whydoeslifesuckass88@gmx.com

    asdfasdfasdf 11/13/2017  8:17pm

    Filmandtheatreactress,

    Yu said you were signed with an agent who got you only 4 auditions in one year. How did things end with that agent?

    JackSkellington 11/14/2017  6:16am

    @jack I dropped them lol

    filmandtheatreactress 11/14/2017  10:50am