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  • NAB Gateway Open Singers Call 02/23/2017  11:46pm

    So this was just posted a day ago
    But it says the open singer call is 2/7/2017.....
    Anyone know if this open singer call exists?


    Noticed that as well. Maybe they meant 3/7, since I think they have another call on the 9th? Maybe someone else has insight and can confirm.

    WheninDoubtMixitOut 02/24/2017  9:30am
  • Now that's time to bitch... 02/23/2017  2:01pm

    ABOUT TAXES!! This is the first time in about 4-5 years I OWE, and as such is also the first time I OWE since moving here...I've always gotten a refund. Apparently, being outside the poverty bracket kills you...DAMMIT. Time to pull from savings to pay the feds and this lovely state.


    The title is totally grammatically apologies.

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  2:01pm

    Showbiz, make sure you're filing a schedule C as a performer and claiming ALL of your elligible expenses(ie headshots, classes, danceweae, practice studios, etc)

    musicalwarrior 02/23/2017  2:20pm

    ^^^ Pointless to do schedule C because all my sources of income are W2. I didn't make anything as a a "self employed person" in terms of tax language. And I didn't spend more than 6,300 (The standard deduction) to be able to itemize/write off anything.

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  2:31pm

    Open a traditional IRA. You still have to shell out money, but at least it's going to you and not the government.

    littleeagle 02/23/2017  4:40pm

    Also, getting a refund isn't any better than owing, we just THINK it is. I know it sucks but:

    Getting a huge refund means the government essentially got a huge interest-free loan from YOU, and vice/versa. You aren't necessarily paying MORE in taxes just because you owe this year and you didn't last year...

    Try to get your number to as close to $0 as possible...

    Rain On my Parade 02/23/2017  4:52pm

    ^^LOLZ to the above few. I actually am VERY tempted to take what I have out of my Scottrade account just to have extra money on hand and use some of it to pay for this nonsense.

    I'm not poor, but my apt is STILL in it's legal battle and I know I'll have to backpay all that rent....GAAHHHHH. So I'll def have slightly less than 2k to my name once this is all finished...ACK. #TMI?

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  5:30pm

    Oh also wha made this year even better was that I made a few grand over the federal poverty that hit me a bit hard. Geeeezzz doesn't mean what I OWE is proportionate to what I made....

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  5:32pm

    Wait. All your jobs are W2 but you still owe? I don't know very much about taxes, but that seems odd to me. I always though you would owe money when you work as an independent contractor (1099)

    littleeagle 02/23/2017  7:18pm

    ^^^oh def not. Having W2 just makes it easier to have taxes taken out as you make that money, and it also depends on what you file. Here's basically what happened to me. I was actually outside of the poverty bracket, but ALSO I filed single and 1 and have for years, and both of these caused me to owe this year. If I were IN the poverty bracket, and still single and 1, I would have gotten a refund. At first I thought I made less last year than the year before but that wasn't the case.

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  8:07pm

    Ahhhh I understand now.

    So that's bullshit haha. Our tax system is stupid.

    BUT! I'm not sure where you stand financially or how much you owe, but opening a traditional IRA saved my butt. Ask your accountant how much you would have to put in to make what you owe $0. You're still losing that money from your fingertips, but at least you'll see it (with interest!) in retirement.

    littleeagle 02/23/2017  9:06pm

    Been a waiter for the past year and interested in anyone who works primarily with the service industry? Any tips?

    Smactor 02/23/2017  9:53pm

    Go to soemone. It's worth it. This is the first year I did and I do not regret it. You'll end up paying the same or less as you did with turbo tax or h&r, and they'll help you get a refund.
    And you should totally claim your expenses. Just make sure you have receipts.

    Wackawacka 02/24/2017  9:10am

    ^^^ im not paying anyway because im using the EZ form. My taxes are THAT simple, there's no use going to someone and pay them when my taxes are that easy and I can do them myself.

    And again, I didn't spend more than 6,300 in expenses. In the entire time I've been a tax payer, I never have spent more than that in expenses. So I CANT claim I missing something?
    Even in the past, I've tried to itemize even though I didn't spend over that amount and it did no good, the amount I'd get back (or have to pay in some cases) never changed. That's why it's called a standard deduction.

    Showbizdreamer 02/24/2017  9:19am
  • awaybacktothen

    We all want this, but since Tom is no longer with us, it ain't gonna happen. There's no admin on this site anymore. It was a chance in a million even when he WAS still with us.

    Showbizdreamer 02/24/2017  8:11am

    Is there a way to get in contact with him? I know someone who could take over and work on the site

    kikibuggy 02/24/2017  8:12am
  • NAB These Seasons... 02/22/2017  11:47pm

    Anyone else feel like it's Groundhog Day and you're stuck in a vicious cycle of Mamma Mia, Beauty and The Beast and Newsies? Woof...



    Smastr96 02/23/2017  12:25am

    And Sister Act...and Shrek.


    Rain On my Parade 02/23/2017  12:27am

    Yes there's a lot of B n B's right now (which I don't mind because its my favorite Disney movie, I've been trying to snag the bookworm in blue for what feels like forever...) but since the majority are Eq productions, I'm not exactly about to kill myself over it when there's plenty of Eq ladies they can choose from.

    But I def feels there's WAY more Mamma Mia's, and Sister Acts right now. With some Newsies thrown in for good measure.

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  11:14am

    The real question is:

    are there even enough twinks to cast every production of Newsies that is going up.

    BariToxic 02/23/2017  3:56pm

    ^^As long as they're spaced out properly and a good chunk are, they'll be employed for a good year to a year and a half, with some short breaks in between. #atoasttothedancingtwinks

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  4:11pm

    I'm a 6'3, muscular dude and it's my dream to get drunk and crash a Newsies call.

    SteveRogers 02/23/2017  4:24pm

    ^....6'3 muscular dude? #masc4masc? #looking?

    Fatniss_Neverlean 02/23/2017  4:34pm

    Meet me at blockheads

    #matched #tellpeoplewemetatHarryPotterEPA

    SteveRogers 02/23/2017  4:42pm

    ^Steve, it's everyone's dream to get you drunk.


    Rain On my Parade 02/23/2017  4:48pm

    I'm not going to lie- I have NEVER enjoyed reading this website more than over the past few days

    You people need Jesus

    SteveRogers 02/23/2017  5:01pm

    I know a twink that needs to book Newsies ASAP let's get it done guys

    skippin 02/23/2017  11:11pm


    Smactor 02/24/2017  12:53am
  • Face the Fear Dance Workshop 02/20/2017  4:25pm

    We're back at it again in the midst of audition season so it's time for:

    Face the Fear
    A 5-Week Dance Audition Training Workshop Only For Beginner Dancers

    When: Sundays, March 5, 12, 19, 26, & April 2
    Time: 3-6pm each week
    Where: Nola Studios, 10th Floor

    A 5-week audition workshop focused on preparing actors for movement calls, Face the Fear is designed to hone your audition skills by:

    Building a foundation of dance technique.

    Learning methods of choreography assimilation.

    Exploring a wide range of stylistic movement vocabulary.

    Applying mindfulness methods to remain present in each moment.

    Practicing every component of a dance audition, repeatedly.

    But most importantly, our aim is to help you embrace your unique gifts as an actor - so you can successfully EMBRACE MOVEMENT on every dance floor.

    Both on and off the dance floor. Through 1-on-1 goal coachings, a private forum for community support, goal work and preparation for each week, options for additional classes and private coachings, a concentrated weekly three hours in class, accountability partners, and a final mock audition with a guest artist, you will leave the program with a new found confidence and capability to step into every audition.

    E-mail mmnycambassador (a) for discounts and questions! See you on the dance floor :)


    friendly bump!

    MMNYCAmbassador 02/23/2017  9:22pm
  • List Starter Right Here 02/21/2017  7:25am

    I feel like there is a misconception about the people who start lists. That we don't sleep, can't believe give out best performance, aren't healthy, or whatever bullshit reason you give for sleeping in. I make major life sacrifices to make sure I can be up and be seen without question. Here's a quick glimpse into how I operate.

    Wake up every day around 4:30. Make a breakfast smoothie and pack food for the day. Half an hour train ride to studios. Start lists (or within the first 5) around 5:30. Turn the corner and go to Planet fitness. Work out, shower, prep for audition. Back at the studio by 8:30/9:00 to be there and see if they accepted the unofficial - resign or line up if need be. Get seen within the first 15 minutes. This gives my time to go to one or two more auditions that morning, and then more in the afternoon. It also means I'm not sitting on my ass at EPAs or ECCS waiting to see if I can get seen until there is a real possibility of that happening. By 3:30 I'm at one of 4 jobs. Weekends are usually packed with double shifts retail work - they pay into my 401k. During the week it's nannying or freelance work. I also run a side business with a skill set I developed specifically to supplement my income. I'm back home between 7:30 and 8: and immediately in bed. If I'm asleep (and after a packed day, that is rarely a problem) by 9 -that's 7.5 hours.

    I make a ton of sacrifices to make this work. It's giving up having a savings account and essentially working to cover the bills I've budgeted for with maybe an extra $100. It's giving up a ton of social time and a personal life. It's not dating, or looking or ducking or whatever. It's knowing I spent a ton of money to get here, and continuing to spend a ton of money being here - and if I'm not in the room every moment I can - then what's the point?

    Dreams are fucking hard. Which means you have to work for it. And if you choose to work a different way - awesome! You do you. I book good work often enough to know that this works for me. If your schedule works for you - great. But holding so much resentment to your colleagues can't be healthy. Take a second to consider that you aren't the center of the universe, and you being seen isn't my priority. Let's be adults and take responsibilities for the choices we make. Broken legs to you all. And please. Feel free to join me Planet Fitness is hella lonely that early in the morning...


    Thank you for this- as tone is not clear in written word, especially on the Internet, I apologize if you thought my question was dripping with resentment. I genuinely didn't understand how getting a decent amount of sleep AND starting a list could not be mutually exclusive and figured you were either bullshitting or are some sort of magician. Turns out you're the latter 😉. Congrats on finding a way to make the system work for you.

    bwaylvsong 02/21/2017  8:11am

    That's great that it works for you! More power to you!

    But I'm uneasy with the idea that if you want to pursue this field, the only way to to it is to give up ALL free time and social life. Basically, spend your entire life working your survival job and going to auditions, then going to sleep -- never seeing friends, dating, pursuing a hobby, taking a class, or even just having free time to yourself to chill out. I prefer Raja's advice to be a person first, an actor second. That doesn't mean not working hard or not being committed, but IMO, there needs to be a balance. Spending every minute working or going to auditions with no free time sounds to me like a fast track to burnout.

    But that's just my own personal subjective opinion - no shade intended! If it's working for you, that's terrific and I wish you all the best.

    actorsmom 02/21/2017  8:25am

    "...or whatever bullshit reason you give yourself for sleeping in" is the reason why there is so much resentment....

    Some of us physically can't get up that early. Some of us are naturally night owls. Some of us work till two or three in the morning. Maybe others simply work early while you're out starting lists. So just like I don't know your life, you don't know mine. And just because *you* make the sacrifice to get up so early, doesn't necessarily mean you are better suited to whatever shoe we are auditioning for. Another part of the resentment- that I may not even get seen for something I'm perfect for simply because of a hand-written "list"...

    So, I get your point. I'm somewhat envious even, but that sentiment works both ways boo...

    Rain On my Parade 02/21/2017  8:59am

    I respect the hell out of you for this routine! It's admirable and I give you so much credit for it. I'm also slightly jealous, if I'm in bed by 11:30pm that is early for me. I'm not someone who has ever made it onto an unofficial list before 7:30am, but I really don't take issue with the people that get there at 5am, as long as they are not signing up 15 of their friends. However, my gut reaction was pretty much what actorsmom said. I think we all make sacrifices, I don't see my friends with "normal" schedules as often as I would like to, but to cut yourself off from a social life? That's tough. I think it is important to be a human being first, and as Julia Cameron says in "The Artist's Way", we have to find ways to "fill the well". Racing from auditions to survival jobs day in and day out would burn me out. I need to make time to see friends/family, take classes, see theatre, and even partake in non-theatre related activities, but it's all about what works for you! If you are happy and this works, then that is what matters. <3

    #imlistening 02/21/2017  9:07am

    Rereading - it does sound like I have no personal life or social time. Trust me, that's not true. True I'm not out at bars or drink - but I prefer my social life to be one on one. This isn't my entire life any more than my survival jobs are my entire life. They just give me the freedom to pursue this.

    And the night owl excuse is tired. No one is naturally an Owl or a Lark. It's all dependent on chronotype which can and do and will change. It's about conditioning. In college we had a casting director come in and give us feedback. The dept head said something like "I know it's early but...." and the casting director goes "it's 10am. This is when auditions start in the city - you should be able to sing anything in your book at 10am". That resonated. So I went through a few weeks of hell after college conditioning myself to adjust to the reality of this industry. If you are a night owl - it's because you've conditioned yourself to be that way. And that's fine! Choosing to work jobs that go until 2am is exactly that - a choice you have made to support a lifestyle, I assume, you are happy with.

    We all make lifestyle choices and are responsible for the way we deal with the obstacles that come as a result. I prioritized being available for my career - which means my social life is less than. But as an independent person - I'm ok with that. If that's not you, again, that's fine! It's just frustrating to see so much entitlement and negativity directed at people who have made separate choices.

    Ps. I'm also not one that believes in going in for everything is the key to success. I go in for what I want to work on. There were tons of auditions last week and I went in for maybe three things - because they were all I cared about. My whole life may be centered around being available for auditions - but to be clear, my whole life is not going to auditions.

    2460noyoudidnt 02/21/2017  9:39am

    While this is well and good, and it sounds like you're playing a smart audition game in terms of going in for things you're right for/care about rather than everything you can (which is how you made it sounds at first), even then, much of this just sounds like a recipe for burnout, and I was immediately gonna say the same as actorsmom/Raja. I KNOW I can't be up at 4:30 every day, or frankly even all that often, because even two days of doing that and I'm down and out, because I some how become nonfuctional. I'm not saying I sleep until noon all the time, I never do (unless I was up for whatever reason until 4 am) that just slothfulness. Issue isn't being able to sing something at 10 am, it's the being up since 3 AM in the freezing cold to do it. I'd rather be well rested to sing at 10 am because then I know what I need to do to make my voice work, rather than being up since 3 AM waiting in line, with the cold destroying my voice and praying that whatever come out will be ok. I don't care how appts for everything will work , but it HAS to come eventually because the system.isn't.working.anymore. The idea of "suffering for your art" only works to a point, and as I said on another thread, it's beyond that point now. Whether it's online sign ups (ala JDC) or open call by submission for appt, I'd just rather know when I will be ITR and therefore can plan around it rather than waiting for three hours just to sign in and waiting another 2 or 3
    I'm glad you found something that works for you, but it did come off a bit as 'if you're not doing it this way/not auditioning as much as possible then you're doing it wrong". I don't "go to auditions" nearly as much I should...but it's because I don't have the wherewithal to "hurry up and wait" much anymore. I don't like sitting on pins and needles wondering when/if I'll be seen knowing I'll have to be at work at a certain time. We all just want a specific time to plan around. It makes it easier on everyone. I don't care how this is done, it just needs to change somehow. And frankly as the genius of all aka Raja says, I'd still rather be a human first, because how can we be true artists without having lived a little first anyway? I love what I do but I'm not about to kill myself with this kind of schedule for it.

    And what job do you have that allows for you to be in need by 8 PM anyway?? Frankly what allows your schedule in general, now I'm just merely curious...because without appts/being Union where you can have a slot, this kinds of schedule is almost impossible.

    Showbizdreamer 02/21/2017  10:33am

    Also, I think some people have to work those jobs until 2am in order to have their days free for auditions, appts., etc.

    #imlistening 02/21/2017  10:35am

    ^^^ I think that what I tried to say but failed. I'd rather work a little late and get up at 7 to audition and get to work at 5 or 6. At least I know I have my day free enough to where I'm not feeling rushed or frazzled trying to get everywhere I need to be.

    Showbizdreamer 02/21/2017  10:58am

    Alright, I have some questions. Admire your dedication, but like others have said - how is this sustainable? How does it not make you a more well-rounded person that has life experiences, etc?

    I'm curious what work you're booking that is non union, pays or is in some way forwarding your career, that doesn't interfere with work or doesn't have you out until 10 pm with rehearsal times. Same with auditions - are you just going to anything and everything? Sounds like you hit at least one audition a day, and I'm curious how everything you attend has a part that's right for you.

    How do you expect this to be sustainable until you reach larger theatres/equity contracts, especially if you're not waiting around to be seen at EPAs and ECCs. Do you have an agent/manager that is sending you out on appointments?

    This all seems to be well and good for *now* but what happens when a wrench is thrown into your plans? I can see that you're able to adapt with a few days of chrono training, but I believe the core of the concern about early sign ups is the very American idea of 'I don't care about your choices, these are mine, I don't care if the rest of the group suffers.' What would be very interesting is if you continued to do what you do, and the rest of the non-unioners collectively decided just to chill out and go later. I wonder then, if you'd adjust?

    I ramble. But such is the luxury of internet anonymity

    Justgottasay 02/21/2017  11:14am

    What's been your success rate with this?

    Smactor 02/21/2017  1:30pm

    that's great. i'm also a list starter. i just have some questions.. how are you seen within the first 15 minutes? do you go to open calls or non union calls? and where do you find these calls? i'm usually always first on the non union list, and 9 times out of 10 i'm not seen. thanks!

    orangejuice 02/23/2017  9:54am

    The "List starter" type is the worst thing to happen to musical theater. And I believe it's people like you that make it too hard for normal talented people causing them to quit.

    I would also bet my entire savings account that you are a moderately talented basic white girl. Let me also guess, you have an "audition dress" and a nude pump? I bet I could also list songs in your book. YOURE THE WORST.

    EilisFiorello 02/23/2017  10:37am

    ^^ I'm not gonna say I disagree with you because this I overall how many of us feel. And frankly it's a lot of truth. But isn't there another...more tactful way this could have been said?

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  11:28am

    Perhaps but what's the point of being tactful? She or MAYBE he opened themself up to this by posting it here. So I'm gonna give my unedited 2 cents. It's an anonymous online forum. What did you expect?

    EilisFiorello 02/23/2017  11:48am

    Eilis, I agree with your sentiment, but you have to blame the SYSTEM, not the PERSON (who sounds like a male to me lol).

    bwaylvsong 02/23/2017  11:53am

    I don't know. The business itself hasn't really changed. The people in it have.

    EilisFiorello 02/23/2017  12:05pm

    Serious question - do you afford everything without help from Mom and Dad or someone else? Because with a few hours a day at work plus doubles on the weekend in retail (that a portion is going into your 401k) and some freelancing, it seems unlikely.

    crashtheparty 02/23/2017  1:26pm

    I don't think you are making any sacrifices at all- this is how you like to live!

    ThePineapplePrincess 02/23/2017  1:33pm

    Shoot- I didn't mean for the tone to sound aggressive on that last post. :-P I don't think that anything you're doing to make your life work could be considered a sacrifice. You like living this way, and it's good you found something that works for you.

    ThePineapplePrincess 02/23/2017  1:44pm

    @EilisFiorello, regardless of what you think of people getting up and starting lists, you really have no idea what anyone's talent level is, it's stupid to ever assume that you're more talented than someone else just because you approach the business differently.

    itwillbeme1day 02/23/2017  3:31pm

    Never said that I myself was more of less talented. I was simply speaking to the typical "list starter" type.

    EilisFiorello 02/23/2017  9:10pm
  • This season... 02/23/2017  3:15pm

    Y'all....I don't know about you but I feel like this is one of the hardest audition seasons I've ever had. If you are also riding the struggle bus, you deserve a hug, some chocolate and/or booze and a puppy.


    Girl, you ain't never lie. This has been a really discouraging year. Learning to believe in myself outside of the competition and lack of validation.

    8BarWhat 02/23/2017  4:37pm

    8bar, this is honestly the worst audition season I've ever had. If I'm not getting cut from the audition, I'm getting typed out. Theatres that called me back all the time aren't even giving me an appointment. If you see a Hispanic man at Blockheads shotgunning drinks and crying angrily while eating his nachos, just ignore me and/or show me a picture of a dog.

    upsetwallflower 02/23/2017  8:28pm

    8bar, this is honestly the worst audition season I've ever had. If I'm not getting cut from the audition, I'm getting typed out. Theatres that called me back all the time aren't even giving me an appointment. If you see a Hispanic man at Blockheads shotgunning drinks and crying angrily while eating his nachos, just ignore me and/or show me a picture of a dog.

    upsetwallflower 02/23/2017  8:57pm
  • just tried to do all the research while at my desk at work... can't find anything

    galliegirl 02/23/2017  5:18pm

    Yo I thought the same thing

    But then when I eventually clicked through to the sign up genius it has good ol' Andrea Zee listed

    dinkleberg 02/23/2017  5:18pm

    BUT sidebar wasn't this an equity tour up until like this listing or am I thinking of many years ago

    dinkleberg 02/23/2017  5:22pm

    Stewart/Whitley is casting

    BariToxic 02/23/2017  5:23pm

    HAHA Thought the same. That info was well hidden in the posting for whatever reason. And yes it began almost two years ago as a SETA tour, it's still running but they're turning it non-eq.

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2017  5:26pm

    i think the eq tour is still on the road

    galliegirl 02/23/2017  5:26pm

    Eq tour is def still out. Just turning over this year then.

    Fatniss_Neverlean 02/23/2017  5:33pm

    Just confirming (Because I can't see it listed on the site) that women's and men's calls are together? Can anyone confirm this or clarify? I'm a woman but signed up for 2 pm since the morning was taken.

    kt15 02/23/2017  6:39pm


    The_Diva 02/23/2017  7:06pm
  • Asking age 02/23/2017  11:35am

    This ain't cool at an audition right? Is there any case where it is? What have ya'll done if it happens to you and you don't particularly want to disclose?


    If you are not a minor, the legally cannot ask you as it's considered discrimination. I always play it off and make it into a joke "how old do you think I am?" Play it off or give them an age range. Don't ever give your real age until you have the job and even be careful then. if they see you one way, don't shoot yourself in the foot by "aging yourself out." Good luck!

    thecherrylady 02/23/2017  11:48am

    I always say "over 18" (or "over 25" for a beer commercial) with a smile. Makes it clear that you aren't answering the question without being combative or getting nervous.

    crashtheparty 02/23/2017  2:46pm

    DEF ILLEGAL. And pisses me off even more as a person of the vaginic persuasion...

    It comes up frequently at cruise calls, in which case I leave the year off of give an age-range.

    Same thing in person. I give my age range, never my actual DOB.

    Rain On my Parade 02/23/2017  4:55pm
  • Van der Gomes Productions?? 02/23/2017  4:12pm

    Anyone know anything about Van der Gomes Productions? I submitted an audition tape for them but I wanted to check before I went any further. They have an impressive website touting all these great clients like Amazon Prime and shit but I've never heard of them before now. Guy in contact is Cobus Gomes (alleged CEO). Please let me know if you know anything :)



    showBoat 02/23/2017  4:46pm