Bitching Post

It's ok to get it off your chest.

  • NAB - Non Union Tours 02/25/2018  11:05am

    Can anyone here share their experiences doing non-union tours? My agent seems to be very against me auditioning for NU tours and keeps mentioning the conditions of crappy housing and transpo situation (going 2 days w/out showers) etc... Is it really that bad?

    ycreampuff

    I’m sure it’s all relative and depends on the touring/production company.

    All I can say is, in personal experience, the last two years I’ve been on Grinch tour (Big League Productions) and it’s been a wonderful experience in regards to things like housing, efficiency, transportation, etc; the money being good or not is relative to the tour and what you personally think is good for you but my non-union tour experience has been perfectly worth going for.

    Again, I’ve only been with one touring company, so their could be issues with others. I just know I have no complaints.

    JimmyD 02/25/2018  11:17am

    thank you for sharing! The non-union tour I’m referring to in this case is being produced by Networks...

    ycreampuff 02/25/2018  11:35am

    My friend is currently in the Rent tour and all of the cast wants out. Shitty working conditions and bad management.
    The person above that mention the Grinch, that’s not really valid that was a 5 week tour. Try doing a non equity tour for 6 months and see it is the same.

    Gagainsider 02/25/2018  12:20pm
  • NAB - photo retoucher.. 02/23/2018  8:59pm

    any one have any go-to's for photo retouching?
    thanks!

    supercali

    what kind of stuff do you need done?

    musicalwarrior 02/23/2018  11:02pm

    basically to zap out some hair strands, accent eyes a touch, and good 2nd eye for color balance,etc.

    supercali 02/24/2018  12:21pm

    I used him and he was great.

    retouch@seanhavens.com

    FinallyGettingThis 02/24/2018  12:22pm

    Myself haha. Do you have Facebook or email?

    modblueberrypie. 02/24/2018  12:25pm

    Can you ask your headshot photographer?

    Rain On my Parade 02/24/2018  2:50pm

    Pic monkey

    tinyballerina 02/24/2018  8:58pm

    Aja's FaceTune

    2460noyoudidnt 02/24/2018  11:25pm

    awesome, thanks so much!!

    supercali 02/25/2018  12:12pm
  • NAB: agent recommendation 02/25/2018  1:18am

    where does a young black singer/actress recently off a noneq tour with an out of state contract lined up go to look for an agent? Asking for a friend. I'm the friend.

    pointyourtoes

    Honestly the best way is usually through friends who have agents. But, even that can be tough. Outside of that try the Actors Connection or One on Ones... people here will chime in and tell you how not worth it they are. But if you don't have someone willing to connect you with their agent, this is a great way to get face time and feedback from them, possibly meetings too. But the path to getting agent can be muddy everyones is different. I would say figure out what agencies you want to target. Once you do that figure out if they have classes, or if they take blind mailings, or what connection you have and go at them.

    Being that you are non-union try to target agencies that are more interested in a developing talent rather than the heavy hitting agencies (although if you have that "in", go get them) Some good agencies that like fresh talent:
    Avalon
    Daniel Hoff
    DDO (especially if you consider yourself a dancer. BDC actually holds calls for them from time to time)
    Across the Board

    There are others, these are just what come to mind. Make sure you have a website, and footage on youtube or vimeo. Its super, super, super helpful when trying to get your foot in the door. Good luck. Have patience. And keep crushing it like you are

    DorothyMichaels 02/25/2018  10:29am

    Full disclosure: I’m an intern (maybe former intern) at The Growing Studio.

    However, of all of the “pay to meet” people studios, I highly recommend TGS. In your case, the showcase for agents series would be really great (if you can afford it). You showcase at the end for 14 different agencies and they have a pretty good success rate with people getting interest/signing.

    Aside from all that, I find that the class is really cool and helpful even if you don’t end up with representation. You get three classes working with Anthony Daniel on material and a fourth class that brings in two Casting Directors for their input. Then, you showcase!

    It’s up there (maybe $600?) but Anthony is really amazing and they do offer payment plans. I do not get paid for this, I swear haha. I’ve sat in on a ton of these classes now, however, and they’ve been incredibly helpful and interesting for me even though I’m not showcasing!

    ImMrsIglesias 02/25/2018  11:02am
  • I'm all about the dramaaaaaaa.... 02/23/2018  12:30am

    But this website is no longer a resource and just an ugly catalyst for hate in an already hate ridden world.

    Maybe this section of the site really should be deleted. Save the callback corner and the main page. The rest is just trash and biased people with hurt egos.

    Fatniss_Neverlean

    ^ Perhaps you should re-read your responses to some of my posts.

    Ron Gielgud 02/23/2018  4:49am

    Welcome to Hell

    TommyWisaeu 02/23/2018  7:35am

    But how would we know about poops at Pearl and the amount of Inner Peas left at TJ’s?? 🤷‍♀️

    Rain On my Parade 02/24/2018  5:38pm

    How is pearlpoops not an instragram account yet? ATLEAST A HASHTAG?

    Fatniss_Neverlean 02/24/2018  9:06pm

    Granted, the bitch that took that big dump and pearl stunk the place for hours. She needs to stop eating McDonalds.
    That that non equity dump to the single bathroom.

    Mimimarquez 02/24/2018  10:16pm

    *stares at empty mcdonalds bag sitting next to me*

    Fatniss_Neverlean 02/24/2018  11:16pm

    This post is ironic coming from one of the people who started the hateful, judgmental, dramatic nature of most of these posts years ago.

    Check yourself Leudtke man.

    Baby_Groot 02/25/2018  3:18am

    ^^I agree. You're a hateful, hurtful person, and before you throw those stones you better check those glass house windows.

    Springfield 02/25/2018  9:13am

    ^There's a fine line between hate and sass. Fatniss' posts back in the day always fell on the sassy side of the line to my eyes. His point is that AU these days is generally much darker and more hateful than it was the past. And he's right.

    bwaylvsong 02/25/2018  9:18am
  • NAB - EMC Lineups at Equity Building 02/23/2018  5:01pm

    www.facebook.com

    "Attention New York Members and EMCs: Starting Monday, February 26, EMCs will no longer line up with Equity members for EPAs at the Equity building. EMCs will sign up on their own list on the fourth floor in the morning, which means our members will be able to schedule EPA appointments more quickly and efficiently (and perhaps still have time to line up for another EPA elsewhere)."

    Sid Solomon, AEA Eastern Principal Councilor - #SIDforAEA

    so do emcs just sign up at 6 am and come back when the call starts now?

    ekat1991 02/23/2018  5:05pm

    Sounds like it’s the exact same process but they just let the EMC members sign up downstairs.

    VorpalDormouse 02/23/2018  5:15pm

    Hi Sid!

    Can you send out an email to EMCs explaining the process in full? Is the 4th floor monitor creating the list and verifying our EMC status at 6am and then passing the list to the 16th floor monitor before the audition starts before they may call the first EMC (at 9:20 for a 9:30 audition)?

    zarina 02/23/2018  7:58pm

    i'm very confused. so we don't go up to the 16th floor at all and wait with the non eqs? Or we go to 16th floor and sign our own list? Not sure what the difference is because there are usually 2 monitors doing sign in at desk for busy calls (one monitor for emc, one for equity).

    Fizzy14 02/23/2018  10:23pm

    Highly confused by this! Can there be more clarification on where this applies and what time this will begin at?

    I'minthe212 02/23/2018  11:14pm

    Sounds like the only difference is EMC signs up on the 4th floor instead of the 16th. Everything else is the same. And this is only at the equity building.

    LuvPatti 02/24/2018  1:26pm

    ^So we sign up on the 4th floor, but then is the list brought upstairs? Or does this change mean that EMC names will now be called from the 4th floor?

    Basically, I show up early and sign up on 4th floor, I understand that, great.

    But then when I return to the building a few hours later once the call has started, do I go to the 4th or 16th? Where will names be called from?

    Sid, thanks for letting us know about this change, and thanks in advance for the clarification!

    Are You Kidding Me 02/24/2018  2:06pm

    The list will be brought up into the audition center at the start of the call. The only thing that changes is signup.

    dots 02/24/2018  2:35pm

    bump

    02/24/2018  7:42pm

    Do we sign up an hour prior to the call as before or when the building opens at 6am?

    awopbamboo 02/24/2018  10:14pm

    It seems that we can sign up when the building opens, at 6am, and then when the call starts they will move the list upstairs, i think? But Sid, if you could confirm this that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again for letting us know on this board.

    Also, these changes seem to only apply to the equity building, sign ups at other locations seem to remain the same.

    ToFormAMorePerfectUnion 02/25/2018  7:33am
  • OLYMPICS! 02/25/2018  1:18am

    How has nobody posted about this yet!?

    These bobsled butts are EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW,

    Audition season can suck and the world has gone to shit but do yourselves a favor and watch it before it ends tomorrow. PEACE!

    Rain On my Parade
  • Definitely a bitch: Jamie Day O'Connor 02/23/2018  5:10pm

    ...At least, that's the name on his headshot.

    If you're at the St. Michael's Playhouse call right now, you know who I'm talking about.

    How do we get this guy kicked out of the union? Or at least, banned from every audition, ever?

    Songbird321

    Ok... spill the tea!!!!

    coldbrew 02/23/2018  5:14pm

    Follow up: his real name might be James Strauss. So like, however you know him. But either way.

    He is disruptive at EVERY call he shows up at. He's berates actors, monitors, and, if you're at the Once called, just screamed at a girl that she's a bitch and ranted and raved in the holding room for 15 minutes. And he's still going.

    What can we do?

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  5:16pm

    If this is at all true, this person (whatever his name is) should receive a formal reprimand from the union. Nobody gets permission to behave this way.

    The monitor at the call should ask him to leave, or at least inform the room of his behavior.

    CompensatedPaperweight 02/23/2018  5:20pm

    Full story:

    He shows up, in a rush (his norm -- I see him a lot) yelling into his phone "FUCK you. FUCK YOU!!"

    I mutter under my breath, looking at my computer, "dude, chill."

    I look up: it's him.

    Awwwwwww fuck.

    CUE the outrage. The monologue. The screaming. The grandstanding. LOUDLY. The whole holding room is looking at us while he RANTS and raves.

    I pretend to take a call just to end the conversation. He calls me a bitch and goes into the holding room.

    He then involves the monitor. Rants, raves, doesn't let her speak for the next 2-5 minutes of the story of how much I read him, how judgmental I am, my "anger issues."

    Monitor finally gets him to get in and take a seat. 20 minutes later, he's STILL (ranting and raving under his breath now) to every actor he's sitting near.

    He is a mess at every audition, blusters, yells, distracts, harasses, and berates.

    Ban. Him.

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  5:20pm

    I'd call a cop. Verbal assault is still assault.

    CompensatedPaperweight 02/23/2018  5:23pm

    Also, the irony that the dude who just talked over two women and called one of them a bitch seems to have plucked his stage name from a FEMALE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE and feminist icon is TOO MUCH you guys.

    It's just too much.

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  5:27pm

    My friends and I call him Drunken James!
    He's usually more amusing than anything else... honestly surprised he was genuinely mean.

    bwaylvsong 02/23/2018  5:30pm

    You should definitely report him to Equity and mention if it happens again you will call the police. Also maybe talk to the studio staff (if you're not at the audition center) as well because they are able to remove people acting disruptive or at least call security to do it.

    mm5252 02/23/2018  5:31pm

    I thought really hard about calling security. And honestly, I just wanted to get SEEN -- and the longer this dramedy played out, the less likely I was going to get put into any groups by this monitor who was now having to be referee on a playground to a children's dispute. It was already a long shot -- cops showing up would have ended the day for all of us.

    But you'd better believe he crossed the wrong bitch professionally. Marching my happy ass to equity next week in person to take any steps necessary.

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  5:38pm

    Is this guy “Tommy Wiseau”?

    MouseTrapped 02/23/2018  5:48pm

    OMG YES

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  5:49pm

    Bway, if you think he’s harmless, you haven’t known him for long. Not only is he scary and unpredictable at auditions, he’s notorious for getting sublets through Gypsy Housing and the like (under various names), then being an absolute nightmare...trashing the place, getting noise complaints, having the cops called on him. He almost got a friend kicked off of their lease because he was causing so much trouble. He’s a terrifying person, and he should absolutely be banned from auditions.

    TenorGuy 02/23/2018  5:54pm

    Songbird you sound cool and normal especially in the face of audition sociopath adversity. If you wanna grab drinks one day, I’m a 33/M/tenor 🎵

    MouseTrapped 02/23/2018  5:57pm

    ^I've known [of] him a while but don't know him well. I think he likes/respects me so tries to behave himself when I'm around, to the extent that some monitors have noticed and look to me to distract him.

    bwaylvsong 02/23/2018  6:01pm

    (That was obviously a response to TenorGuy)

    bwaylvsong 02/23/2018  6:02pm

    MouseTrapped: LOL!!!! And I KNOW you're 33 because yes you just used that hot AIM format. #80sKids

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  6:07pm

    And can verify on the housing front. Because get this -- I booked something last minute two years ago and needed someone quickly. He found my place on Craigslist, checked the place out (I thought he was a lunatic, but a lunatic willing to take my place and sign a very legally air-tight sublease agreement) when he backed out the day before (!!) and yelled at *me* (??) before I even had a chance to react.

    I started seeing him at open calls a couple months later and the first time we made eye contact I thought he'd say something. Or at least look away in shame.

    Nope. Y'all he DIDNT EVEN RECOGNIZE ME. Because this shit (yelling at women, leaving them on the hook for thousands of dollars), apparently, happens to him SO OFTEN that he doesn't he even remember you afterwards. Either that or hashtag faceblindness?

    I've avoided him ever since. I mean, you know. Until today.

    Fuck this guy.

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  6:12pm

    Not for nothing, I'm talking about this with a CD you guys know right now, and he knows exactly who this dude is. Wanna know what he called him?

    "Butt herpes."

    IF CASTING DIRECTORS KNOW YOU AS "BUTT HERPES" YOU CAN SIT YOUR ASS DOWN AND NEVER COME TO ANOTHER AUDITION AGAIN.

    You're done. Dead. Gone. So quit. For all of us. Please.

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  6:32pm

    Lol does that mean I’m in your age bracket, Songbird?! Drinks offer still stands haha.

    I can’t find anything online with either of those guy’s names + “actor”, so I guess google feels the same way about him as that casting director.

    If anyone has a link to a backstage profile or website, I’d be curious to see this butt herp.

    MouseTrapped 02/23/2018  6:42pm

    Not only did this seem to happen Right after I left, but I’ve never come across him...YIKES. Like...is he that unaware of his behavior??

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2018  7:08pm

    MouseTrapped, you must REALLY be blinded by your love for Songbird, because he comes right the fuck up on Facebook under his real name, and right up on Google under his stage name. Try prying your eyes away from the trees. 😂

    Springfield 02/23/2018  7:58pm

    Be really careful with him. His crazy!! Like nuts!!! Stay away from him

    Gagainsider 02/23/2018  8:16pm

    Genuinely do your best to stay away from him. Hard to avoid at calls because he comes in like a bull in a china shop, but always do your best not to engage him. All the equity monitors have had problems with him, and I’ve heard PLENTY of horror stories from some older members who have worked with him (one said he was fired from a show she was in during the LUNCH BREAK of the FIRST readthrough). They’ve confirmed that he had/has a drinking problem, and I’m no psychologist, but there’s gotta be something else going on in there. At his best, he just overshares at you, but I’ve personally be involved in an incident with him that I had to report to Equity - though, nothing significant seems to have come of it...

    peter.pan 02/23/2018  8:29pm

    Did no one say anything? He was allowed to carry on like this for all that time and not one person stood up to him?

    I'm not blaming you Songbird, but did none of your fellow actors or the monitor stand up to him and help you?

    SteveRogers. 02/23/2018  8:47pm

    @MouseTrapped02

    I promise you! I am not that guy. I might troll these pages from time to time but that is not even me.

    TommyWisaeu 02/23/2018  8:58pm

    The person being discussed is bipolar. It does not excuse his behavior but I know for a fact that he was called into the office multiple times when Keith Howard was in charge of the AEA Center. I don't know if the current staff has taken any action but you can certainly make them aware if he is presenting a danger to those in an audition space.

    Past Tense 02/23/2018  10:08pm

    I don't understand why this is an argument anymore. Why are we complaining about other actors working their asses off to be seen? Instead we should be talking about real solutions for making this easier for Non Union actors. We should formulate a plan instead of yelling at people who are making this kind of schedule work. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. This is the reality. This is what any job position deals with if they are not unionized. Think about people who stand on a street corner at 4 am EVERYDAY in hopes they'll be picked to work do heavy labor so they can feed their children. This is a ridiculous argument and I'm tired of hearing people bitch about how they need their rest. YEAH WE ALL NEED SLEEP GET OVER YOURSELF. Lists get started early because some people get off work at 4 am and literally have no sleep. If you know there is a call coming up that you want to go, plan your week so you can go to bed early. Don't stay up late watching bad tv, get your shit together and stop being a baby. My mom is an ER nurse and works 36 hour shifts twice a month. I have never heard her complain about it once. The most she has ever said was that her back hurts. She is someone who has THE RIGHT to ask for sleep because she is saving people's lives. You are sitting on your butt, waiting until they call your name. Then you GET TO SING or ACT or DANCE and then YOU LEAVE I'm sorry, but I'm over it. This is the mos lazy, selfish argument in the world. its hard for all of us, but if you love it, you'll still do it. It'd be amazing if we could sign up online, but that woeful still be insane and you find problems with that as well. If people start a list at 6 people would STILL be there waiting at 4. The only difference there is, what use to take 5 minutes to, now takes 2 hours of waiting. There is no easy solution for it. We are all trying our hardest, but the bitching about it needs to stop. Just do it because you love performing and then write in your memoir some day.

    sweetsallyfields 02/23/2018  10:26pm

    ummm theres no such thing as verbal assault. and that's def not a police matter. #facepalm. #ificalledthepoliceverytimesomeonewasajerktheydhavenotimeleft

    dopplegang 02/23/2018  10:27pm

    Well y'all, I have learned a lot about this guy tonight from this resource and others, and it all amounts to the same impression in person -- even if you want to engage, you can't. The smallest provocation and he is OFF and won't stop. Any word at all is just gasoline to the fire. You just have to be patient and wait it out or risk ever escalating aggression. I've had multiple people warn me off from even talking about him for fear of retribution or stalking.

    But should we have to live in fear of a union member and fellow actor? He's been up to this for years. And no one has done anything?

    And Tommy, earlier I thought they meant the ACTUAL Tommy Wiseau from the Room. Because he is much like that guy. But I did not mean to imply he was like anyone on this site, not on enough to know. ;-)

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  10:47pm

    Well y'all, I have learned a lot about this guy tonight from this resource and others, and it all amounts to the same impression in person -- even if you want to engage, you can't. The smallest provocation and he is OFF and won't stop. Any word at all is just gasoline to the fire. You just have to be patient and wait it out or risk ever escalating aggression. I've had multiple people warn me off from even talking about him for fear of retribution or stalking.

    But should we have to live in fear of a union member and fellow actor? He's been up to this for years. And no one has done anything?

    And Tommy, earlier I thought they meant the ACTUAL Tommy Wiseau from the Room. Because he is much like that guy. But I did not mean to imply he was like anyone on this site, not on enough to know. ;-)

    Songbird321 02/23/2018  10:59pm

    Hey guys.

    I would like to seriously and formally point to the current state of our nation. This absolutely sounds like someone who could snap and bring a gun into an audition room or anywhere else.

    Report him to Equity, report him to authorities and ask that he be watched. No time anymore to fuck around with these things.

    Baby_Groot 02/23/2018  11:16pm

    I can definitely see how that seems dramatic, but it seems this person should very closely be watched and/or dealt with.

    Baby_Groot 02/23/2018  11:17pm

    I agree. We should go to Equity and report him. We are risking our safety with a mentally unstable guy in the audition room. I’ve seen him be very violent. So yes I’m scared.

    Gagainsider 02/23/2018  11:19pm

    I don't know what school your legal degree is from, but verbal assault is, in fact, a type of assault, known as verbal abuse. This paragraph sums it up:

    "Verbal assault usually involves threatening physical violence on someone, although sometimes yelling or aggressively using words to offend or attack someone can constitute verbal assault. The threats must be something the assailant is capable of carrying out, and which cause fear of imminent danger to the victim."

    Depending on the words spoken, the person being assailed merely has to feel as though their person or livelihood is endangered, and this can be a legal action.

    I know it seems far-fetched...but it's a thing. Take this from a person who has been a victim of both verbal and physical abuse.

    CompensatedPaperweight 02/24/2018  1:17am

    WOW using
    Someones name and talking about someone is allowed but when we stand up for our rights as LatinX and speak some Spanish it gets taken down?

    Backstage is racist

    ThisguyisonfireOBVY 02/24/2018  11:11am

    The guy is a complete asshole. Don’t engage. It’s not worth it. However, if he don’t take any shit from him either and if he is harassing someone, stick up for each other.

    FDNYactor 02/24/2018  11:25am

    all i'm saying #compensated that the advice of call the police when someone is being an asshole or even seems a little nuts, is reckless and irresponsible advice. The OP did the right thing by simply disengaging. There are so many jerks or borderline insane interactions in the city, and I'll bet you a $100 that if you called the cops every time someone acted like a piece of sh*T towards you, they'd laugh in your face. Based on the OP's original story, she didn't feel physically endangered, just uncomfortable and annoyed.

    dopplegang 02/24/2018  12:05pm

    Just have to weigh in here. Definitely report him to security. Ripley and Equity buildings would toss him out on his behind in an instant. Some girl flipped out on me for looking at her in an elevator and hit my friend on the butt, she was tossed out of Ripley. Please refrain from calling Backstage racist. I myself am Puerto Rican. I did not see that post but if you feel it was appropriate and taken down in a wronged manner please email us ASAP. I'm so sorry if it happened. Thanks, guys.

    modblueberrypie. 02/24/2018  12:37pm

    Wait who is this? I've been auditioning in NYC for more than a decade and I have never seen someone behave this way.

    Name confirmed? Description? I want to make sure I steer clear if I ever see him and warn others who might not know.

    ALSO: if you think someone has violent tendencies DEFINITELY report them. We can't be too careful right now...ESPECIALLY right now.

    AFTC 02/24/2018  2:06pm

    UPDATE: ^^^ I have seen this guy; but I've never seen him act like that...something must be going on for him to be having (apparent) psychotic breaks.

    Definitely bring it up to Equity.

    AFTC 02/24/2018  2:14pm

    This should have been addressed with the monitor and a union rep. To call out someone by name in this forum, speculate on their mental health and instigate a public shaming is irresponsible, cruel and childish. I sincerely hope that Backstage removes this thread.

    Spidermum123 02/24/2018  5:32pm

    I wouldn't hold your breath that equity does anything. I once had a situation where we discovered and then the person admitted that they were on drugs and coming to work high(an no not pot, more serious drugs) and equity outright refused to do anything and said that we had to buy the person out even knowing it was a 2 week contract and we couldn't afford to do so. But i'm sure they would have been the first ones on our case if something had happened.


    #equityworks

    Pam Poovey 02/24/2018  5:37pm

    Someone once hit (yes, belted, struck, slapped hard across the face) another auditioning actor at an Equity call being held at Telsey. Telsey immediately banned the aggressor from any further auditions at Telsey. It took Equity another year to get around to banning the person from auditions at AEA. So, yeah, report it - but don't necessarily expect action.

    hmm 02/24/2018  5:43pm

    Hmm: yeah, actually you know what, that's probably the move. I'll definitely report to Equity, because they need to know about this escalating behavior. But this was at Ripley -- they should ban him from the building. Those security guys on the first floor should have his name on a list.

    And SpiderMum, the monitor was SO notified. By him. At length. For 5 minutes. He held up the call and prevented her from doing her job.

    This was not a petty squabble. This was a middle aged physically imposing man yelling, losing his shit, harassing actors at a job interview, and interfering with the call. He was unhinged, unruly, and aggressive, and this was not the first time. This is actually exactly what this forum is for -- sticking together to make sure we watch out for each other.

    Songbird321 02/24/2018  7:32pm

    Best thread ever.

    sosayethi 02/24/2018  10:50pm

    This post may seem petty or abusive, but take my advice and DO NOT get into a confrontation with this man. He subletted from me, lived with me for three weeks, and it is NOT worth it.

    If you have concrete examples of verbal abuse (vs general erratic behavior), please report it to Equity. He was never physically violent, but certainly verbally abusive, and I felt constantly unsafe. No one should have to deal with his instability in an audition (or anywhere, really).

    bluenblonde 02/24/2018  11:32pm
  • Mamma Mia (here I go again and again and again) 02/24/2018  10:23pm

    Wait... I know that everyone is doing Mamma Mia this season, but is the Fulton doing it TWICE?

    www.broadwayworld.com

    awopbamboo

    I think the second one is for Matlz Jupiter.

    Springfield 02/24/2018  10:29pm
  • Unofficial List Solution 02/23/2018  9:13am

    Hey y’all, I feel like we say this every year, but this season the unofficial lists seem to be starting earlier than ever. (Example: 3:50 AM this morning for an Open Call).

    While I wholeheartedly respect those of you who are able to live a life where you get up incredibly early to ensure that you’re seen, we have to recognize the discourse this is causing. The system is imperfect, so I am not blaming you at all. I am just bringing to light that starting a list before 6:30 or 7 AM is a direct result of privilege. Today, for example, the majority of the first names were college students in NY (remember, your full name is there, and Google knows all!) and while I applaud you for being on top of the game and determined to be seen, we have to recognize that not every actor is able to do this (commutes from outside Manhattan, jobs that work late, health conditions that require adequate sleep, etc) and in an industry where systematic oppression is already rampant, I feel we should collectively implement measures that are more equitable. Here’s a solution:

    STOP POSTING ABOUT LISTS BEFORE 6 AM.

    We’ve seen it happen year after year where someone (I’m assuming with the best of intentions) posts that a list is already up in the wee hours of the morning and then by 6AM the list is already 3 pages long, no one has gotten adequate sleep, the monitor / CD / theatre company is forced to become an ethical moderator, Audition Update is ridden with complaints and defenses, and it becomes a stressful day for everyone involved.

    If we stop posting about lists before 6AM, then the few super early birds will sign up at whatever hour of the night they choose, then the 5 / 5:30 AM crews will do the same, and by 6 AM we’ll only have a dozen or so people on the list so when we start getting updates about #’s, it’s within relatively reasonable hours for everyone to get to midtown and add their name and (hopefully!) get seen.

    Essentially this allows us to honor those who get up incredibly early, but doesn’t enable this privilege as it still allows those who arrive at 6, 7, & even 8 to stand a chance at being seen.

    These are my two cents - I know we all want to get seen; let’s do our best to be equitable in the ways we go about doing so! Happy Auditioning - break legs everyone!

    369damnurfine

    That logic makes literally no sense. The list still exists whether someone posts about it on AU or not. If you wake up at 4am just to check what number AU says the list is up to, that doesn’t stop people from actually signing up on it. You’re saying that seeing people post on AU causes a panicked stampede to the list? That just doesn’t make sense.

    eroseb 02/23/2018  9:22am

    Keep in mind, i never show up to auditions before 8am and i still get seen. Not sure why people are signing up so early.

    LuvPatti 02/23/2018  10:29am

    If you’re able to sit all day and wait, more power and sleep to you. But some people have to get to afternoon jobs so if they aren’t seen early, they aren’t seen at all.

    eroseb 02/23/2018  10:57am

    The people who got seen before noon at Theater Barn today are the people who signed up before 5:30am. I think that’s ridiculous, but I see only one possible solution: companies not accepting unofficial lists. That has shown up on some upcoming open calls, but then again I anticipate lines around the block so in a way it’s a no-win. We’re non-union, therefore we don’t have a union to regulate issues like these.

    FierceConversations 02/23/2018  12:11pm

    I'm feeling this so hard- I fit all of your criteria: I have a long-ass commute from the boondocks of Brooklyn, often work late, and have a health condition that requires me to get adequate sleep. Regarding the latter point, I'm gonna post something that is much more personal than I'm usually comfortable sharing: I have had a seizure as a direct result of not getting sleep. If I were not surrounded by friends who were able to repress me and call an ambulance during said seizure, I could have very easily gotten a career-ending injury or even died. That is why I'm so vehemently against insanely early lists. I now have to be very careful about getting enough sleep, and I just want to put it out there that if it happened to me, it can happen to you (and I don't have epilepsy or anything). Please be careful and don't risk your life for an audition.
    As for the proposed solution, I definitely think it would help a little. It's obviously not gonna prevent people from getting there early, but it would curb the rush of people who read that and arrive earlier than anticipated, and also prevent people like me from being actively angry at the early birds.
    And regarding Theatre Barn, come on! I can ALMOST understand that level of crazy for a gig that pays well and/or get you EMC points/your card, but 3:50am for a non-eq summer stock theatre that pays $250 a week? Why?!?!

    bwaylvsong 02/23/2018  1:22pm

    Hey,I also have epilepsy! It's... not fun. Sleep plays a huge role in whether or not I have seizures. So I feel you.

    Leigh1692 02/23/2018  1:45pm

    Oh, sorry, I just read that you don't have epilepsy. But I'm sorry you had a seizure. I know how much it sucks. I've been in danger many times.

    Leigh1692 02/23/2018  1:47pm

    Thank you! My reason for clarifying that I don't have epilepsy is that it can happen to literally anyone, and more than once. Neurology is a weird animal. I have since had another seizure (from dehydration caused by a stomach bug) and am now on preventative medication, but still have to be very careful.

    bwaylvsong 02/23/2018  1:58pm

    Getting companies to not accept an unofficial list is the answer. You would have to implore them to hire a monitor willing to come early enough for signups to start. If you can get an online petition going that could be emailed to companies after enough signatures are acquired, then you might be able to stop this.

    JCrewGinghamShirt 02/23/2018  2:18pm

    Yep, it's true, anyone can have a seizure. And actors are fierce - which is awesome - but sometimes we forget to take care of ourselves. And that's dangerous.

    Leigh1692 02/23/2018  2:36pm

    Is sign ups on line an option? So you can actually pick a slot,so if you have work, jump on it early, and if you don't, you can go in later? Then more people can potentially get times they actually want, and there's less waiting around. I'm sure it's not perfect, but maybe it's a thought.

    Leigh1692 02/23/2018  2:39pm

    I just had an epiphany about this issue...of course our believed answer is somehow theaters catching on to now accepting unofficial lists. But....what if it’s not? What’s to stop people from continuing to show up at 4 AM to be able to be among the first to sign in?

    Showbizdreamer 02/23/2018  2:45pm

    If someone is cray enough to show up and stand in line at 4 because they don’t take a list, I say more power to them. The amount of people who would wanna do that is probably super low. Right now the issue is one person showing up at 4, writing down their name and their 10 friends names, then going home to go back to sleep. But if they wanna actually be there and sit on the sidewalk for 4-5 hours.... I’m sure that habit wouldn’t stick.

    peter.pan 02/23/2018  3:22pm

    Peter Pan, some people got in line at 4am last week for Finger Lakes because they don't take an unofficial. Lines are not the answer especially in the middle of winter when everyone is just going to get extremely sick standing in a line. I'm still sick for waiting at finger lakes for an hour and I wore 2 coats as layers.

    ialwaysforgetmypassword 02/23/2018  4:40pm

    Finger lakes was crazy. I was there at 5 and I was like, #180

    Leigh1692 02/23/2018  4:45pm


    I don't understand why this is an argument anymore. Why are we complaining about other actors working their asses off to be seen? Instead we should be talking about real solutions for making this easier for Non Union actors. We should formulate a plan instead of yelling at people who are making this kind of schedule work. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. This is the reality. This is what any job position deals with if they are not unionized. Think about people who stand on a street corner at 4 am EVERYDAY in hopes they'll be picked to work do heavy labor so they can feed their children. This is a ridiculous argument and I'm tired of hearing people bitch about how they need their rest. YEAH WE ALL NEED SLEEP GET OVER YOURSELF. Lists get started early because some people get off work at 4 am and literally have no sleep. If you know there is a call coming up that you want to go, plan your week so you can go to bed early. Don't stay up late watching bad tv, get your shit together and stop being a baby. My mom is an ER nurse and works 36 hour shifts twice a month. I have never heard her complain about it once. The most she has ever said was that her back hurts. She is someone who has THE RIGHT to ask for sleep because she is saving people's lives. You are sitting on your butt, waiting until they call your name. Then you GET TO SING or ACT or DANCE and then YOU LEAVE I'm sorry, but I'm over it. This is the mos lazy, selfish argument in the world. its hard for all of us, but if you love it, you'll still do it. It'd be amazing if we could sign up online, but that woeful still be insane and you find problems with that as well. If people start a list at 6 people would STILL be there waiting at 4. The only difference there is, what use to take 5 minutes to, now takes 2 hours of waiting. There is no easy solution for it. We are all trying our hardest, but the bitching about it needs to stop. Just do it because you love performing and then write in your memoir some day.

    sweetsallyfields 02/23/2018  10:29pm

    I'm sorry that's such bullshit. There are some of us who LITERALLY CANNOT BE THERE THAT EARLY due to commute or work unless we get there 24 early. I have no idea how to fix the problem but just calling us lazy is an asshole move.

    manythemiles 02/24/2018  9:19am

    Why don’t we start the list at 10pm the night before, go get a good night’s sleep, and show up at a decent hour in the morning? Or start the list at 5pm before people go back home to Jersey/LI/etc so they get a chance to be seen. We can start the list literally whenever we want to if companies are going to keep on accepting these lists. I want to know why that’s worse than having people start a list at 3:30am and sign up their 30 friends who are getting their beauty sleep.

    The original point of the list was to keep track of who’s in the physical line so you’re able to go grab a coffee or use the bathroom without losing your spot - or, to prevent confusion when you start going upstairs and the elevators that only take so many people at a time. But if we’re going to go start a list and go back to bed, why does it have to be 3:30am? Why does this have to be a contest of who can sing best on no sleep?

    Or people can start trashing any list that appears before 6am, but I don’t have it in me to do that.

    FierceConversations 02/24/2018  12:41pm

    Why don’t we create a website that has an online sign up list for non union. And somebody prints out the list and brings it in to the monitor at the start of the call? Anyone who didn’t get to sign up online can just add to the transferred list in person. This is kind of a replica of the equity member portal where they sign up for ECC’s.

    LuvPatti 02/24/2018  1:22pm

    Or can we stop signing up on a list. Can we just honor a physical in person line up. If you wanna get there at the butt crack of dawn and stand or sit outside the building at 5am go ahead.

    LuvPatti 02/24/2018  1:24pm

    @LuvPatti that would be amazing but it would only be fair if the link was posted in the original audition notice, like those calls that use Sign-up Genius

    FierceConversations 02/24/2018  1:27pm

    I don’t see how it is my “privilege” that allows me to wake up early- it’s my willingness and my sheer determination to make it work. Also I have to discern when it is worth it and when it is not. Stop complaining and make it work for you. At the end of the day it is just an audition and we are people first before we are actors. There are worse problems in the world than this.

    Suiteofjacks 02/24/2018  1:40pm

    Some people can't just go to bed early and wake up at 4 because they work until midnight. So should they start a list at midnight when they get out of work? Does that show off their determination and sheer will, just like people who wake up at 4?

    Yes, people stood in line for Fingerlakes at 4, but that's because a monitor was there at 6 to sign people up. If the monitor was not coming until 9, I doubt 100 people would get in line at 4am (but if they do, good for them - THAT's determination, not 10 friends taking turns deciding who's gonna sign the list at 4 while the others sleep).

    The solution is for companies to stop taking an unofficial and make us wait in line. And you know what, that's what we're all gonna have to do when we join equity, so we might as well get used to that format.

    Are You Kidding Me 02/24/2018  2:01pm

    @areyoukiddingme
    Several of my friends and I have jobs that don’t get out tilll midnight or after. Yeah it sucks. But this is what we all signed up for by being non union and in the nyc talent pool. We make it work. Granted I have never signed a list before 5:15 am, but I drink coffee and take naps when I can.

    Suiteofjacks 02/24/2018  3:58pm

    @Suiteofjacks yeah I'm with you on that. It's rough and sure it's "what we signed up for," but it's not fair to you and your friends if people start a list at 3am. I'm saying, if people have a "right" to start a list at 3am, then why can't you and your friends start one at 1am when you leave work?

    Really I was trying to address the people who were commenting "just go to bed earlier and stop complaining about sleep." My point was that some people, like you, can't just go to bed at 8pm because of work, not because you're just being silly watching tv. I'm trying to stand up for you lol

    Are You Kidding Me 02/24/2018  4:55pm

    If we’re all worried about our health, how is eliminating the unofficial list and standing on line in the cold for hours the solution?

    lilprincess 02/24/2018  5:05pm

    Exactly, thank you lilprincess. That's what my point was.
    Yeah, let's all get sick standing in line in the middle of winter. We'll all sound awesome.

    ialwaysforgetmypassword 02/24/2018  6:15pm

    There are a few open calls coming up next week which have specified no unofficial list. What is everyone planning on doing?

    FierceConversations 02/24/2018  6:48pm

    Honestly I just feel sorry for anyone who starts a list at 3 am because I have more self worth than that. Focusing on that fact is how I personally don't go crazy haha

    Suiteofjacks 02/24/2018  8:33pm

    I’m not as experienced as some of y’all.... but I’ve noticed that a 6am sign in (like at fingerlakes) just means a 5am line around the block and a list closed by 630. Whereas days without a big early open call I’ve always been able to get in the first 15 at 630am when i usually get to the studios.

    Just my observation.

    BariToxic 02/24/2018  8:53pm
  • NAB: auditioning for Irish rep 02/24/2018  1:00pm

    Has anyone auditioned before for Irish rep in an EPA setting before? Do you usually go in with an Irish dialect on your pieces? Do they expect you to have it ready to go in the room? Would love any help for what to expect.

    NeverWantedToPost

    Lovely place to audition. Great people. I did not use my Irish accent when I read for them, and did not feel it was a detriment. I understand they usually bring in a dialect coach. I may be wrong, but that is what I have heard.

    hmm 02/24/2018  5:46pm

    Can't speak to the audition itself but I know some of the workers personally and they are good people.

    Pam Poovey 02/24/2018  6:06pm